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Air Gun Home Forum Index » Rifles » Nitro Piston Air Rifle sold at Canadian Tire Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Nitro Piston Air Rifle sold at Canadian Tire   Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:11 am Witchdoctor Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 16 Greetings. I am thinking of getting the nitro piston air rifle thats sold at Canadian Tire. It has the same specs and looks like the Trail NP All Weather 495fps. I'm in the process of getting my PAL so I can keep my late dads handguns (see sig line), and was wondering if it would be a decent gun to get and if it can be tuned up later to match the Trail NP All Weather spec of up to 950 fps after I get my Pal, or should I wait and get the higher velocity model. I should mention I plan on using it for plinking/target practice and "RAT PATROL " in my backyard. _________________ Crosman 1400, Gecado mod 22, Walthers Luftpistole model 53, 1911 Colt, C96 Broom Handle Mauser   Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:59 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia AFAIK those gas pistons are non user-adjustable. Although you may be able to. Are you shooting RATS or mice? All the RATS around here (closest ones live in Philly) are like squirrels. For mice, a non-PAL rifle should do just fine. No need to over penetrate. I would be very interested to see how a low velocity gas piston performs in the accuracy department. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:04 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" If you mean the rifle they have labeled "Nitro Piston Air Rifle Product #75-5030-0" http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/5/SportsRec/1/Hunting/Airguns/PRDOVR~0755030P/Nitro%252BPiston%252BAir%252BRifle.jsp?locale=en It is the Benjamin Trail All-Weather NP, at alot more money than can be found online in Canada: http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php?cPath=25_40&products_id=360 It will have an upgrade kit available (custom, no parts from Crosman at this point)- will run around $70.00 - it is basically a piston/seal replacement with a proper holder for the NP rod to sit correctly installed in it and a welded top to ensure it cannot come apart (this is the custom part). However, those published numbers are exaggerated to the extreme- around 650fps using proper pellets is more realistic. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:26 pm Witchdoctor Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 16 fritz wrote: Are you shooting RATS or mice? All the RATS around here (closest ones live in Philly) are like squirrels. For mice, a non-PAL rifle should do just fine. No need to over penetrate. I would be very interested to see how a low velocity gas piston performs in the accuracy department. The rats I have coming into my yard (up to 12 at a time) range is size from a human fist, to about 3 or 4 lbs in weight (my mother used to mistake them for rabbits at times). I was using my crosman, but the seals have finally gave out, and the rats just laugh at the pellets fired from my gecado or luftpistol (both .177). They're also not afraid of me, even when I'm pushing a gas powered mower around the yard. I'd put out poisened bait for them, but I don't want to kill the other wildlife around here (rabbits/foxes). I haven't heard any of the np guns in use, so I'm hoping the stated bit about being 70% quieter is somewhat accurate, as the nice (means idiot) neighbour behind me has had the nice detectives pay me visits twice since my parents have died (not about firing the pellet guns though). _________________ Crosman 1400, Gecado mod 22, Walthers Luftpistole model 53, 1911 Colt, C96 Broom Handle Mauser   Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:46 pm Witchdoctor Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 16 AirGunEric wrote: If you mean the rifle they have labeled "Nitro Piston Air Rifle Product #75-5030-0" http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/5/SportsRec/1/Hunting/Airguns/PRDOVR~0755030P/Nitro%252BPiston%252BAir%252BRifle.jsp?locale=en It will have an upgrade kit available (custom, no parts from Crosman at this point)- will run around $70.00 - it is basically a piston/seal replacement with a proper holder for the NP rod to sit correctly installed in it and a welded top to ensure it cannot come apart (this is the custom part). However, those published numbers are exaggerated to the extreme- around 650fps using proper pellets is more realistic. That's the one. I'm considering waiting until I get my pal and getting a decent .22 air rifle. Right now I kind of like the looks of the Trail NP XL 1100, although I know the specs are inflated somewhat after reading some of the reviews. I'm also going to look at some of the other makes also. I'd really like this one, http://www.pipersprecisionproducts.com/ , but I think it would definately be illegal to posess in the Great White North. _________________ Crosman 1400, Gecado mod 22, Walthers Luftpistole model 53, 1911 Colt, C96 Broom Handle Mauser   Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:59 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia Gas powered mower? Now you're just getting creative. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:07 am AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" Witchdoctor wrote: I'd really like this one, http://www.pipersprecisionproducts.com/ , but I think it would definately be illegal to posess in the Great White North. It's an airsoft product, shoots below 500fps and I don't believe is a "replica" of anything- so technically it should not be illegal in Canada. However, it would be a good idea to have the CFC evaluate it for catalog/registry classification before trying to get one into Canada. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:29 am donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area I could not get the link to work but If it is an airsoft type gun then you won't be killing any rats with it as it will have almost no power. the BB's for air soft are very light weight and soft plastic.   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:42 pm Witchdoctor Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 16 donec wrote: I could not get the link to work but If it is an airsoft type gun then you won't be killing any rats with it as it will have almost no power. the BB's for air soft are very light weight and soft plastic. There's a video on the website that shows it blasting a hole in a 1 in thick wood board. Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MIVUcLxRSE&NR=1 Last edited by Witchdoctor on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:47 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ Crosman 1400, Gecado mod 22, Walthers Luftpistole model 53, 1911 Colt, C96 Broom Handle Mauser   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:44 pm Witchdoctor Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 16 fritz wrote: Gas powered mower? Now you're just getting creative. Isn't it amazing what shows up when you have a yard full of bird feeders and bird baths... Even in a city _________________ Crosman 1400, Gecado mod 22, Walthers Luftpistole model 53, 1911 Colt, C96 Broom Handle Mauser   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:19 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia If they aren't afraid of the mower, then why are you bothering to use an airgun for this job? My JohnDeer riding mower blades go down to a minimum of about 1"... How tall are your critters? _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:54 pm Witchdoctor Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 16 fritz wrote: If they aren't afraid of the mower, then why are you bothering to use an airgun for this job? My JohnDeer riding mower blades go down to a minimum of about 1"... How tall are your critters? Unfortunately, the critters move out of the way, and I'm not about to chase them around the yard with the mower. _________________ Crosman 1400, Gecado mod 22, Walthers Luftpistole model 53, 1911 Colt, C96 Broom Handle Mauser   Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:51 pm donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area Witchdoctor wrote: donec wrote: I could not get the link to work but If it is an airsoft type gun then you won't be killing any rats with it as it will have almost no power. the BB's for air soft are very light weight and soft plastic. There's a video on the website that shows it blasting a hole in a 1 in thick wood board. Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MIVUcLxRSE&NR=1 Yes well look at what the Colorado river did by just flowing across the ground and creating the Grand Canyon. Yet a drop of water will not kill a rat by penetration just like an airsoft BB wont penetrate a rat. Even if enough of them could beat a rat to death. That is if you could get the rat to sit still and be beaten to a pulp while you shoot.   Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:03 pm Codz0413 New Member Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 2 Location: Canada AirGunEric wrote: If you mean the rifle they have labeled "Nitro Piston Air Rifle Product #75-5030-0" http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/5/SportsRec/1/Hunting/Airguns/PRDOVR~0755030P/Nitro%252BPiston%252BAir%252BRifle.jsp?locale=en It is the Benjamin Trail All-Weather NP, at alot more money than can be found online in Canada: http://scopesandammo.com/storefront/product_info.php?cPath=25_40&products_id=360 It will have an upgrade kit available (custom, no parts from Crosman at this point)- will run around $70.00 - it is basically a piston/seal replacement with a proper holder for the NP rod to sit correctly installed in it and a welded top to ensure it cannot come apart (this is the custom part). However, those published numbers are exaggerated to the extreme- around 650fps using proper pellets is more realistic. I am thinking of ordering this same rifle off of scopesandammo and i also eventually want to mod it up but yeah i was just wondering are you saying that the more powerful model doesnt shoot 950 but more towards 650? or are you saying the more powerful model shoots 950 but you will only be able to get the 495 moded up to a 650?   Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:30 am AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" The "900fps" model will shoot up to around 720fps using 14.3gr pellets. The "detuned" model can be brought up to this level as well (with a $90.00 kit)- but as is becoming more and more common, the "numbers" alot of manufacturers are claiming are using super-light pellets that no one would ever try to use for actually shooting something. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. 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