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Air Gun Home Forum Index » General Air Gun Questions and Topics » Daisy 747 / Good choice for beginner? Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Daisy 747 / Good choice for beginner?   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:24 am Jim McArthur Veteran Member Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 151 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA I'm new to the world of airgunning though I have a little plinking experience with smokeless pistols. I'm trying to decide on my first pistol and have heard good things about the Daisy 747; also some bad things ("it leaks air"). Any thoughts? Jim _________________ "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:47 am Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND Hi Jim Welcome to the site, the daisy 747 appeares to be good value for the money, I have only fired a 747 once and that was a while ago, but from what I can remember it was a nice and well finished gun. If you want a good write up on the Daisy have a look here http://www.ihmsa.com/shooting_the_daisy_747.htm Al   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:47 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" I've never used an Avanti 747 myself, but typically the Daisy Avanti guns are of reasonable quality. Being a pumper- obviously it's cheaper to use in the long-run than a Co² gun would be, but I wonder if that 17lbs of pump effort might get old pretty fast- this would be one gun I would want to be able to "test" before buying because of that. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:31 pm Jim McArthur Veteran Member Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 151 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA Alstone wrote: Hi Jim Welcome to the site, the daisy 747 appeares to be good value for the money, I have only fired a 747 once and that was a while ago, but from what I can remember it was a nice and well finished gun. If you want a good write up on the Daisy have a look here http://www.ihmsa.com/shooting_the_daisy_747.htm Al Thank you, Alstone, the was a great site! Jim _________________ "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:33 pm Jim McArthur Veteran Member Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 151 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA AirGunEric wrote: I've never used an Avanti 747 myself, but typically the Daisy Avanti guns are of reasonable quality. Being a pumper- obviously it's cheaper to use in the long-run than a Co² gun would be, but I wonder if that 17lbs of pump effort might get old pretty fast- this would be one gun I would want to be able to "test" before buying because of that. Good point, Eric: I'm lazy by nature, so that's something for me especially to keep in mind! Can you recommend any other that's easier to pump? Jim _________________ "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:21 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" Well- if you want an air/pump gun, and in .177 cal. You could think of the Crosman 1377: http://www.pyramydair.com/p/crosman-1377-pump-pistol.shtml As for it's accuracy- that I can't tell you. It is a multi-stroke pneumatic, so you can adjust the power output based on your shooting conditions (10 pumps is around 600fps with what would be 5.5gr pellets most likely, so it's maximum output is around 4.4fpe- which is still pretty good). If you need/want less output for 10m target shooting- just pump it less. I bet it also puts out a lot less noise than something like a 2240. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront Maybe...   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:08 pm Jim McArthur Veteran Member Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 151 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA Sounds like it might be a good all around choice for a beginner's pistol. Does it pump by working the bolt? Can left handed grips be installed? Jim _________________ "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:29 pm Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND Jim after reading your comments on what you would like, how about a Weihrauch HW 40 PCA .177 , ambidextrous single pump, about 410 fps and less than $150.00. I have used one of these frequently and they are consistant with there power output and very accurate. Have a look here. http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=47 Al   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:37 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" Hmm- that Weihrauch looks like a nice piece- and looks like it will do everything you want as-is. The 1377 pumps by moving the forearm (the brown part near the muzzle) out and in to pump. I'm sure there must be left-handed grips- but I don't have a price reference or source handy. Really- perhaps it comes down to budget as well- if I were a pistol fan, I'd probably be thinking about that Weihrauch. If I just wanted something to fiddle with to refine my tastes a bit- that 1377 would probably be a good trial gun that isn't too pricey. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:10 pm Jim McArthur Veteran Member Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 151 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA The Weihrauch sounds like a good choice! They're out of stock at Pyramid, though: I put my name on the "notify me when in stock" list. Thanks for all the info! Jim _________________ "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:02 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" You can try other vendors for stock- for example Airguns of Arizona or Compasseco might have them. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:06 pm 23ib0d0n Moderator Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 757 http://home.att.net/~jjaxelrod/airarms.html Jay Axlerod tunes several types of pistols for a very reasonable price, and specializes in putting together the 747 for match shooting. He has won several IHMSA matches with a 747 and for the price . . . hard to beat.   Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:30 pm Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND By the way Jim, the Weihrauch is also sold in the USA as the Beeman p3 or the Marksman 2004. Al Narrowing my choices   Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:10 pm Jim McArthur Veteran Member Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 151 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA I'm working this like a process of elimination. I don't want a CO2 or a PCP since I want the gun to be self-contained for its power. I'm leery about a multi-stroke pneumatic, as I understand they tend to be inaccurate. But I haven't ruled them out either. Strongest choice is betwen a single stroke pneumatic vs. a spring piston. And I hear that single stroke pneumatics are more accurate, as a type, than spring pistons, but that spring pistons are quieter in use than the single stroke pneumatics. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Jim _________________ "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"   Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:06 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" Noise level of a gun is often more a function of power and air movement. In a very low-powered gun (i.e. Airsoft-type level of 200-300fps) I think a spring gun would be the noisiest due to the mechanics involved- but once you climb upwards the noise level of each type will get higher and higher as more gas is pushed through the same sized hole- i.e. the main source of noise coming out will not be mechanical, but propellant release. For a 400-ish fps pistol- the noise factor probably isn't something to worry too much about- but a Co² gun could be noisier than the others I would say, because if not all the Co² expands before the pellet reaches the end of the barrel, the gas expansion will happen when it hits open space- making more noise. The same might be true for a compressed air gun- but I think it should be slightly less noisy than Co² if all other things are equal. Anybody around here with all three types of pistol (air, Co² and spring) that has made a first-hand, back-to-back comparison? _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. 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