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Air Gun Home Forum Index » Rifles » Any phantom/quest /copies experts here? I need help!    View previous topic :: View next topic  Any phantom/quest /copies experts here? I need help!   Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:22 pm freeman45 New Member Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 4 Hello gents, I stripped my phantom a little more than I should have, this spring flew across my room before I got a chance to study it's position... (this aint the first time, I don't learn ) Anyways, I lined the spring and metal piece that it supports, with the pin, and the pin hole it's supposed to go, but on the outside of the trigger box just to make it easier to picture. Does anyone have any idea where I should tuck that long spring arm under ? I think i've tried everywhere.. but I can't seem to figure this out. Would greatly appreciate someones help. thanks!   Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:05 pm Crosman140 Senior Member Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 663 Location: USA Watch this video and stop it as you need it. It shows how that spring is attached. Look specifically at 1:10 in the vid and see if that helps you. I believe you have it installed incorrectly. That looks like the safety mechanism spring. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaPCvNidMvo Here is the trigger group on my G1. _________________ My Critter Gitters .22 Crosman 140 (1955) .177 Crosman G1 (2009) .177 Crosman 1377 (2009) .177 Daisy 880 (2019) BB Daisy Red Ryder (2012) BB Daisy Buck (2019) BB Crosman 1600 (1980) BB Marksman 1010 (1979)   Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:53 pm Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA That is the strut spring (or intermediate sear spring), and you're almost there. The loop goes around the front of the strut, and the tail goes under the dimple in the housing to rest against the main tube at the back. I'm happy you found the spring. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:53 am Crosman140 Senior Member Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 663 Location: USA Slavia, I was hoping you would chime in, being the resident proficient on this model. So, what am I seeing in my picture then? lol Is mine built different? _________________ My Critter Gitters .22 Crosman 140 (1955) .177 Crosman G1 (2009) .177 Crosman 1377 (2009) .177 Daisy 880 (2019) BB Daisy Red Ryder (2012) BB Daisy Buck (2019) BB Crosman 1600 (1980) BB Marksman 1010 (1979)   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:30 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA The confusion may be that freeman45 photographed the strut and spring outside the housing, simply to show relative position. It wound up in the same place where the safety spring would be when assembled. Take your G1 and engage the safety (safety "on"). look inside the housing from the front and you should be able to see the strut and spring. The strut spring has a definite loop that wraps around the front of the strut; the safety spring has only a right-angle bend where it engages those two notches. The strut spring is inside the housing; the safety spring is outside. On both my G1 and Titan the strut spring is silver-colored and thinner wire. The safety spring is blued and thicker. Freeman45 - you'll probably have an easier time of it if you remove the trigger blade before you install the strut - more room to work. I recall having the same thing happen with my Hakim. After crawling on my hands and knees for an hour I vacuumed the floor and rummaged through the crap with a magnet. By the time I found the spring I had completely forgotten how it went in. So - welcome to the club. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:35 pm freeman45 New Member Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 4 After a couple more spring hunts I finally got it working again, thanks to slavia and his pics I noticed that the main trigger spring is not needed for the trigger to reset, the sear spring that's posted in those pictures is more than enough spring action. Without the main spring, the trigger pull is much lighter. thanks guys!   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:02 pm Crosman140 Senior Member Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 663 Location: USA freeman45 wrote: I noticed that the main trigger spring is not needed for the trigger to reset, the sear spring that's posted in those pictures is more than enough spring action. Without the main spring, the trigger pull is much lighter. thanks guys! Heh, see my recent post here. It really makes a huge difference. http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?p=60459 _________________ My Critter Gitters .22 Crosman 140 (1955) .177 Crosman G1 (2009) .177 Crosman 1377 (2009) .177 Daisy 880 (2019) BB Daisy Red Ryder (2012) BB Daisy Buck (2019) BB Crosman 1600 (1980) BB Marksman 1010 (1979)   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:53 pm freeman45 New Member Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 4 hah, great minds think alike It seems to be a trend among cheap airguns, the triggers are always crazy heavy for no good reason.. I assume it's just another safety feature for kids, who knows. Now I can finally test out it's accuracy.   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:56 pm freeman45 New Member Joined: 01 May 2011 Posts: 4 Also, there is a tiny screw in this trigger unit that can adjust the sear. Which way should I turn it for a lighter pull, clockwise or counterclock? thanks   Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:46 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6929 Location: "Out There" freeman45 wrote: Also, there is a tiny screw in this trigger unit that can adjust the sear. Which way should I turn it for a lighter pull, clockwise or counterclock? thanks The screw does virtually nothing- a proper solution is to install a Woodward GTX II trigger- changes the geometry completely. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:13 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Quote: The screw does virtually nothing- a proper solution is to install a Woodward GTX II trigger- changes the geometry completely. Eric is right - all that screw does is to move the strut closer to the point of discharge. It does nothing to change the "pull" of the trigger. If you screw it in far enough the gun will be poised right on the brink every time you cock it - in my opinion that's unsafe. The GTX trigger Eric mentioned allows the sear and strut to fully engage. It uses a geometry change to signal when the trigger is swinging close to the point of discharge (kind of like a bicycle instantly changing gears). When you remove the trigger spring, the strut and strut spring push on the trigger to return it forward. As you turn that stupid screw in (CW) it will eventually elevate the strut so it no longer touches the trigger. I haven't heard anyone say they didn't like the replacement trigger - ever. Those that were initially less than confident in their mechanical skills found it to be a piece of cake. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:02 pm SMP Silver Status Member Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 1183 Location: Just south of "Out There"- Land O Lakes Ontario Ditto on the trigger I've installed two of them and they work like a dream. very smooth with a perfect break on the second stage.   Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:31 pm Griz Member Joined: 16 Mar 2011 Posts: 36 Location: Colorado Springs, CO have to add my 2¢ I installed the GTX II trigger in my NP XL easy install, great results! Griz   Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:38 am Airhead Member Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Posts: 65 Location: Southern Ontario Thanks everyone, greatly appreciate the help and tech support! _________________ Webley Alecto .177 Webley Alecto .22 Benjamin Trail AW NP Benjamin Classsic Walthers CP Sport   Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:47 pm robert w Senior Member Joined: 12 Feb 2012 Posts: 574 Location: usa welcome to the lost spring,screw,pin and clip club. if you dont drop or loose 1 on every gun work your not doin it right . and remeber if it aint broke your not tryin hard nuff _________________ ,crosman 400,gamo big cat in .22, diana 5g,diana 54 air king, diana 34 in .22 diana 34 in .177, wilrauch hw-55,and a romainian pioner training rifle , and a huge collection of powder burners 35 last count . 1 would think i have a gun store Any phantom/quest /copies experts here? 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