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oddtodd · Silver Status Member

A daisy is NOT powerful enough to hunt with. You are full of it. Anything under 6ft lbs AT THE TARGET with a smoothbore is not powerful enough to hunt with. I've probably been doing this a lot longer than you have, and I definitely know more about airguns. No daisy brand air rifle is p0werful enough to hunt with. Now if you want to talk the winchester break-barrels that are made by daisy, that's a different story. There is no way you are going to get 6 ft lbs at the target with a daisy. If it was accurate for a brain shot at that distance it would be different. Then you could go down to 4 ft lbs at the target NOT AT THE BARREL. But can you hit a target the size of a dime at 25 yards with a daisy? Nope. I can consistently with my Titan, but I don't have to worry about the dime sized shot when I have more than enough FPE to do a heart-lung at 25 and have the shock value to knock him right out of the tree. I have 16 FPE at 25 yards with .22 caliber. I know I'm going home with meat. All you are going to do is would a bunch of poor animals with a cheap a$$ daisy. Buy a real gun, not a k-mart toy.

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

AirGunEric · Site Admin

I believe the "rule" is typically 1fpe per pound of game. If the 880 can get to 9fpe, theoretically it should be able to take down a rabbit- but that is dependent of if it's still retaining that 9fpe at the target- ?

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

oddtodd · Silver Status Member

No matter what you want to do to try to sugar-coat it, it's still a daisy and it was not designed to be powerful enough to hunt. My titan is NOT a powder burner, it's a gas ram .22 that makes 21 fpe stock at the barrel. If you want to try to compare knock down power, then I am willing to step up. I can take a head shot with a 18 grain pellet and stop anything short of a raccoon. Usually when I take a head shot there is not much of the head left with a hollow point pellet. I still stand by my original statement. THe 880 is a cheap toy. I don't care how accurate it is, there just isn't enough of a safety margin at the target to safely take game animals. Oh BTW, I looked it up. I was right. it's a 39.00 cheap kid's toy. I also looked at a pdf of the internals of the gun. cheap. When you get real metal parts in your so-called gun, we will talk. WHen the plastic stock is held on by more than one screw embedded in plastic, I will quit laughing. DOn't get me wrong. I have nothing wrong against pump up guns. I have a benjamin 392 that I've had since I was a kid and it still shoots like a top and it's taken plenty of it's share of rabbit and squirrel. But it's also a .22 and a real gun.

But come on, 661 f.p.s. out of a 7.9 grain pellet? THe fpe on that is 7.666302194385217 and that is Daisy specs my friend. A far cry from what you are claiming. There is no way you are getting 9.5 out of a 10.1 grain, and if you are I want to see the chrono numbers. I can claim I'm geting 25 FPE out of my phantom. But without any chrono numbers, it's just a claim. THis whole post is BS Flag

oddtodd · Silver Status Member

BTW I don't even own a powder burner and if you accuse me of false info again, I will bury you with facts right from this forum. Don't push me little boy. I have been into airguns since webley and scott was top of the line. At least you do show a ;itt;e sense by owning a crosman which a gun capable of hunting with.

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

@oddtodd:
And you keep saying "it is a daisy", as if that is bad. The 880 is an adult hunting MSP.

AirGunEric · Site Admin

Daisy lists the specs on the 880 as 750fps, and up until the last couple years, Daisy was pretty good about publishing accurate numbers. That being said, the last 2 years or so, they have been "exaggerating" the numbers somewhat for marketing.

That being said, if it shoots, realistically, 7.9gr at 650fps, that is over 7fpe. I am always a bit wary of the low-power numbers being able to stick to the "1 fpe per pound" rule- no one would try to shoot a 1 pound bird with a 1 fpe gun. Really, I would suggest from any point of view, nothing should be shot with a gun outputting less than around 4-5fpe.

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

oddtodd · Silver Status Member

If you go to daisy.com, click on the 880, then go to specs it says 661 fps with a pellet. if that is the 7.9 grain daisy pellet, then you are far more willing to risk wounding an animal than I am. I'm not saying any more except I still consider a daisy a cheap junk rifle and nothing anyone will say will ever change my mind. They can't even be bothered to use a metal receiver. At least I know you have an 2289 and aren't as likely to wound animals with it due to it's larger caliber and higher FPE at the target. I only own one magnum airgun and that is a beeman elkhorn in .22 It's a beast to shoot which is why I only use it for crow. But I still have a better safety margin with crow than you do with rabbit.

DavidSaunders · Veteran Member

tommylucky · Member

ODDTODD sounds like a prince of a guy. "I'm not helping anymore" BooHoo. Poor me, I know everything and the newbie didn't fall at my feet. Nobody loves me.
ODDTODD, get a grip. If you can't say something nice...Then just keep your gaping maw shut. It seems your mouth has an excrement leak.Better plug it up.

Slavia · Moderator

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