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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:25 am |
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| mod90 |
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Does anyone here do 80-100 yard range shooting with .177 cal? Looking for tips/advice on taking up this type of challenge. Currently the AT44 slings a 10.65 grain H&N Barracuda pellet at about 1012 fps and I'm looking for an idea of how for I can stretch the range.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:37 am |
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| rsterne |
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You need to do some long range groups on a windless day and find out how different pellets group at different velocities.... Most pellets lose accuracy after about 900 fps, but testing is the only way to make sure....
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:14 pm |
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| mod90 |
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| Thanks for the info. I just thought I could stick with them because I get good groups with them out to about 50 yards. But I don't mind changing pellet selection. Also, do you think heavier pellets would be better? Maybe 14-16 grains? I know there's going to be some significant drop that'll effectively shorten the range (and require more hold over if nothing else). But do you think heavier ammo would be better suited to longer distances regarding accuracy? |
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:39 pm |
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| Slavia |
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| I regularly shoot at a stainless pot lid at 100 yards. (Crosman .177 G1 with 10.5 grain Ultramags). I find the real challenge to be reading the wind - just a slight change and you'll be off by feet, not inches. That includes reading signs like puffs of dirt, leaf deflection, and even the flash of the pellet itself. |
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:06 pm |
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| rsterne |
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You want the best groups you can get, and then the best Ballistics Coefficient you can get to fight the wind.... Weight helps, but shape is even more important.... round nose are generally the best....
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:12 pm |
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| mod90 |
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Now I'm learning a few things. First off, Slavia I'm just curious, what velocities do you get with that rifle?
And Bob please tell me, what do you mean when you say shape is more important than weight? Which do you believe would be better, a long round nosed diabolo pellet like the CPH, or one of those solid bullets like the Diana Rabbit Magnum? My gun shoots them both well, though the Diana's are a bit slower & drop somewhat faster.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:15 pm |
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If you have a gun that shoots Rabbit Magnums well, you have a rare bird.... In terms of wind drift, BC is pretty much everything, except that if the BC is equal, higher velocity pays off....
Since I don't have a gun that will digest "bullets" I stick to CPHs, JSB Exact Heavies (or Monsters), or Baracuda/Kodiaks for long range work....
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:49 am |
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First off I gotta say I'm truly impressed that your trying really long range shooting with a smoothbore
But in terms of pellet choice go with the heaviest highest BC you can get. Vertical drop is nothing to worry about. It's highly repeatable with very accurate results....think artillery shells, and mortars. Round nose weight forward pellets will give you the best results when your lobing them in. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:03 pm |
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| Slavia |
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| Slavia I'm just curious, what velocities do you get with that rifle? |
I haven't checked it recently, but with Superdomes it was in the low 900's, so say around 800 FPS.
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| Vertical drop is nothing to worry about. It's highly repeatable with very accurate results....think artillery shells, and mortars. |
I agree about the vertical drop. I used to do this with a 600 FPS Slavia and Superdomes, albeit with a bigger target (a 55 gallons drum lid). Once you figure out where they are going the shots are very repeatable.
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| Round nose weight forward pellets will give you the best results when your lobing them in. |
"Lobbing" is the truth. My pot lid smashes the pellet head flat, and the ones that I have recovered are flattened at a pretty severe angle. (They only bounce about 3 feet.) They are definitely not coming in horizontally.
You could probably use Chairgun to find the drop over the last little bit (say, 5 yards). Knowing the distance travelled and the drop you could use the tangent function to approximate the "lob" angle. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:54 am |
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| DaveR |
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I've taken up long range shooting with both a .177 Benjamin and a .22 Beeman, and the best pellet I've found for 75-100 yards are RWS Superdomes. I tried A LOT of different pellets and the SuperDomes are the best. Consistent 2 1/2" groups at 100 yrds with the .22, and 4-5" groups at 100 yrds with the .177.
Breathing, consistent hold and trigger pull become incredibly important at these distances with an air rifle. Good Luck, and hopefully this is somewhat helpful. |
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