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 Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:38 pm |
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| viper2788 |
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ive realized that these "nitro piston" air guns can range from lower $100s to over $300. but being made by the same company(for the most part), im wondering what really sets the prices apart like this(besides the scope it comes with). the reason i ask is because the nitro venom is now on sale for $130!! it came out probably not even a year ago for $200, ive bought mine about a month ago for $160, and now theyre having a sale on pyramid for $130... brand new! i just cant help but to think in the back of my mind, "did i buy a crappy gun?"
while shopping for guns, i chose to stay around the $200 range to ensure a certain level of performance, according to research. but when i found the venom for $160, i thought i really found myself a good deal.. something good for a real bargain, possibly a limited time offer, even.
now i dont mind the gun dropping in price nor the fact that more people will probably own them... but usually theres a certain correlation with price and quality. my question is: the benjamin trail, for instance, costs around $300.. could it possibly be THAT much better than my venom? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:51 pm |
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| SMP |
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The quick answer to your question is no it's not that much better of a gun. It's really the same powerplant.
your paying for the stock, a shrouded barrel and possibly an upgrade in scope.
It's very possible that the venom is now the gun that is being pushed based on various things, market appeal etc and the margins will be very tight. Whereas the margins on the Benjamin will probably be better because it has a lower market appeal. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:29 am |
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| AirGunEric |
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| The venom is really the 'big box' gun- WalMart wanted a cheaper NP-type rifle and Crosman accommodated them. As SMP mentioned it is essentially the same poweplant as the Benjamin models, but with a lesser stock, lesser scope and no shrouded barrel. From a functional point-of-view they should shoot about the same. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:22 pm |
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| oddtodd |
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| My Titan GP is a basic but very useable rifle. It doesn't have the bells and whistles like a shroud or checkering and it is a very cheap scope, but it is good enough for me. I just can't afford a top of the line rifle like a benjamin. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:03 pm |
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| Jr. Squirreler |
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| As Todd said. I have the Nitro Venom Dusk. It is a pretty great shooter, but it lacks anything special such as a Shroud. However it does have a Muzzle Brake. All of the NP's I feel are the same. However, I do prefer the Trail Series overall. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:54 am |
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| uncle frank |
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Hint: the 3x9x32 scope supplied with the nitro venom, nitro venom dusk is really an AO scope. Simply unscrew the front cover ring and turn the brass threaded (now exposed) ring. If you wish to have ready adj. take a very small screw and "wedge" (screw in a little) between the cover ring (replaced a few threads) and one of the slots cut into the brass (exposed) ring. Then put a rubber gasket over the cover ring to assist in a good grip.
Note: Very small black screw at an angle will be out of the "field of vision". |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:22 pm |
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| domer_pyle |
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| uncle frank, if you could post a couple pictures of that I'd appreciate it. I've tried to AO a couple scopes but had problems with any lasting ideas |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:35 am |
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| Slavia |
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| uncle frank, if you could post a couple pictures of that I'd appreciate it. I've tried to AO a couple scopes but had problems with any lasting ideas |
I've done this before, and this is the latest iteration:
I had an older Crosman scope that had proven itself on a couple different springers. It was a basic 4X32 scope with no AO, and I wanted to fit a sun shade to it. A scrap piece of 1-1/2" PVC bathroom sink trap extension (and fitting) were a perfect fit on the objective bell. A belt sander removed the threads on the fitting, and hand sanding smoothed it out:
Then I noticed how the objective lens was mounted. The lens is set in an adjusting barrel, and the bezel locks it in place. I figured 100 yards as a maximum range, so I went outside and adjusted the lens for that range, plus a little bit. Then I screwed on the bezel, pushed on the shade, and drilled through all three. It's held together with a 6-32 flathead screw and a nut turned down from a "T" nut. Believe me, I was very careful when measuring and drilling so as not to drill into the glass:
The paint was Krylon BBQ & Stove satin black with no primer (but wiped down first with Goof Off paint remover). I have tried primer and plastic paint on PVC, but this works best for me.
I put a piece of tape on the bell and marked the setting for each increment of ten yards (skipping from 50 to 75 and 100 because they're so close together). The scope was clamped to a camera tripod - I figured it would be less unsettling for the neighbors than a guy sighting down the sidewalk with a rifle. The threads on a real AO scope are coarser, so the range of adjustment takes place over less than one turn of the bell. In this case it takes nearly three turns to go from 10 to 100 yards, which is why I set the bezel to "bottom out" at the 100 yard end. This is similar in concept to a bottoming turret for elevation. It works, but it made the calibration label a little complicated:
The label covers up the screw. The see-through scope caps fit fine over the PVC, but they were a little beat up. I polished out the haze and scratches with Flitz and replaced the frayed elastic cords with rubber from a bicycle inner tube.
One final thing - I greased the scope threads with some silicone grease from the plumbing aisle at the hardware store. (Left over from a water softener installation, used for greasing "O" rings in plastic fittings.) It's syrupy, and the viscosity provides drag so the adjustment stays put. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:15 pm |
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| ButcheN |
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| uncle frank wrote: |
Hint: the 3x9x32 scope supplied with the nitro venom, nitro venom dusk is really an AO scope. Simply unscrew the front cover ring and turn the brass threaded (now exposed) ring. If you wish to have ready adj. take a very small screw and "wedge" (screw in a little) between the cover ring (replaced a few threads) and one of the slots cut into the brass (exposed) ring. Then put a rubber gasket over the cover ring to assist in a good grip.
Note: Very small black screw at an angle will be out of the "field of vision". |
WOW that worked so well I'm sorry I just ordered a 3x12 40. Not really sorry but I do like the way it worked and will use it on my son's gun. Thanks so much uncle frank.......... |
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