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jeff408 · New Member

After lerking around here for a while and wanting a powerful air rifle I think I decided on the Walther Talon Magnum with Nitro Piston, but I'm not sure which to get. I am looking for the most accurate at 75 yards give or take. What are the pluses or differences between .22 and .177? Also which would be quieter for shooting in a neighborhood? Or is there another gun that might be even better for around $300? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Jeff

SMP · Silver Status Member

Wow I was just looking at the velocity specs on that rifle and in my opinion you should look at the .22 and even then you will have to select some very heavy pellets to try and keep velocity below transonic.

Reasons
anything traveling in the transonic band will be very unstable and accuracy will likely suffer
Anything above sonic will lose a bunch of velocity a few feet from the barrel due to the drag coefficient
lastly firing a rifle that exceeds the speed of sound will really annoy the neighbors due to the sonic crack.

Which is something else you should consider as you said you will be shooting in a neighborhood. This is a powerful gun that will deliver considerable energy...lethal energy in fact. You could definitely kill someone if a round when stray. You may want to reconsider if your shooting in an urban neighborhood

Cheers

sniper · Silver Status Member

My own opinion, consider a pcp if you need to reach out that far.
I've have shot the walther falcon hunter (similar model) in .25 and aside
from it being 4 feet long and beyond heavy, recoil is believe it or not,
about the same as an .30 M1 carbine. Break barrels of that power
are also scope killers due to double recoil.

A better choice would be something like the RWS-34.
reasonable power, relatively quiet, decent price.

To buy a sringer/gas ram of that size, you must really love and be
well experienced with that platform IMO.
hth's. $.02

kanyon · Silver Status Member

75 yards is PCP teritory...
Even a Hatsan 125 or Walther as yous know them
is streching passed 50m

jeff408 · New Member

From what I have read is that you can get heavy enough pellets to keep the .177 below the speed of sound. So if the .177 can be kept subsonic would it have the potentital to be more accurate than the .22? As far as shooting in a neighbor hood it is pretty rural here and it would be set up to be safe where there is no chance of hitting someone. I just dont want to shoot something as loud as a rimefire but I'd like to be able to practice at home. Also I dont want to deal with the expence and hassle of the PCP.

SMP · Silver Status Member

Okay
Personally I would choose the .22 as that would be most likely to stay subsonic in the normal range of pellet weights

.22 has about twice the ballistic coefficient as a .177 and at 75 yds that will become a factor. At ten meters the lower BC of .177 doesn't affect anything, but at 75 I would certainly make it part of my decision.

IMO one thing that can be said for sure about big snarly springers is they will force you to be a better marksman. For the same reasons the gentleman above stated they are absolutely unforgiving for hold, grip and stance.

jeff408 · New Member

Well I decided to gamble and go with the Walther .177, the .22 would have probably been the safe way to go. I ordered it from Pyramyd Air along with a Leapers UTG 3-12X44AO scope. I'll let you guys know what I think after I get a chance to play with it. Anyway thanks to you all for replying and helping me out.