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Westonhill · Member

I am thinking of adding a PCP air rifle to my collection. This Raider Venom Viper from Webley & Scott, according to Pyramyd, has 1-Low on the loudness rating. See link (Click on "Specifications"):

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=127

This sounds too good to be true. Does any of you own this gun by any chance?

Thanks,

Alan

AirGunEric · Site Admin

I am a but confused by PyramidAir- they list the gun as "discontinued" yet say it should be in stock November 19 ???

In any event- seems to be a real lack of info on this gun. Anyone know how long it was/has been on the market? The Raider itself has been around for about 7 years- but this is a variation of it, not the "original" item.

As for it's noise level- it has a built-in moderator/silencer so this is why they are claiming it's so quiet. As long as the gun can be bought in the US without a BFTA permit for the silencer- I'm sure it must do a good job keeping noise down. How much noise- can't say.

Here's a couple of pictures- it's a nice looking gun for sure:

Maybe some of our UK members have more info on this gun?

Alstone · Moderator & Site Supporter

The Raider Venom Viper is a very high quality gun it's only fault's are the fiddly 2 shot magazine and the built in silencer is not very good, most people over here who use it for hunting fit a secondry silencer, I have heard (or should I sat haven't) one fitted with a logun silencer and it was very, very quite.

Al

Westonhill · Member

Guys, thanks for the info.

I look up the specs on a regular Raider from Pyramyd, which understandably rates the loudness of this rifle as "5-High". Given the very similar profile of Raider Venom Viper, one would have to assume that this "1-Low" loudness rating must have been a mistake.

I think the only quiet PCPs offered by Pyramyd are AirForce's Talon SS and Logun's S-16s (without any detachable suppressor/moderator). I am hoping to find a quiet PCP with more of the traditional look.

AirGunEric · Site Admin

Well, there is another possibility if you want "quiet". As Al had mentioned- get a regular silencer on whatever you purchase. I know what some people are thinking; "silencers are illegal". Not true- there are alot of misconceptions about silencers in the U.S. The 1968 firearms legislation made them a "permit" item. Anyone who's clean can get a permit from the BATF- the problem is cost- permit is around $200 and then the silencer cost must be factored in. Some details here:

http://www.airgunhome.com/pages/silencers.html

Of course, there may be additional restrictions for California- I'm not familiar with CA state laws...

Westonhill · Member

broommaster2000 · Moderator

Webley & Scott has stopped producing rifles, if I am correct. Some Turkish company took it over and they suck at making Airguns.

Westonhill · Member

broommaster2000 · Moderator

Just don't spend to much money. Allthough they use the same machines, I've read and seen some pretty nasty things. Usually a much lower quality for the same old Webley & Scott Price. Crying or Very sad

The Webley Patriot being the example.

fiestarter00000 · New Member

hiys just thought id say sommat on webley and scott being turkinsh there airguns are all still produced in birmingham england under the w/s banner they were bought by AGS/logun last year there cheaper range of shotguns are basicaly hatsans ( turkish ) there cheaper ou and sbs shotguns are from basque reagon ( spanish ) and the top end sbs n ou are produced in bressica (italy) the whole thing has now been rebadged as webley ags with logun still running there airgun lines kind of indipendantly

Alstone · Moderator & Site Supporter

hi fiestarter000001
Welcome to the site, from what I understand there are no Webley springers made in England now, it has all moved abroard, mostly to Turkye. The old Webley factory at Birmingham is closed and empty and all the machinery as been shipped out. I believe that some pcp guns are still made here but not in Birmingham.

Al