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Air Gun Home Forum Index » Hunting, Pest Control, Varminting » Looking for recomendation Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Looking for recomendation   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:06 am Serbu1945 Member Joined: 27 Jan 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Indonesia This is my current rifle, Indonesian made Canon 737 multi-pump air gun .177 cal. I want upgrade my arsenal to a more better quality gun. 1.) I want using repeater air rifle for shooting multiple rodent. I would prefer spring action air gun but CO2 is OK. 2.) Also i'm looking for compact size air gun ( size is less than 40"-42" ) 3.) I'm also going to use an optic, red dot type. 4.) We don't allowed to have bigger caliber than the .177 cal here I'm willing to spent +/- USD.200 for the gun and optic. What brand should i looking for that? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Last edited by Serbu1945 on Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:00 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ - Back2daHooD -   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:31 pm broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Hm, Xisico/Bam or something along those lines? I hear they're gonna be discontinued though... _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:36 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" Could you be more specific on what you mean by "compact size" airgun? What is the maximum overall length you are trying to match? Do you have any legal restrictions on guns with suppressors in Indonesia? _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:55 pm Serbu1945 Member Joined: 27 Jan 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Indonesia broommaster2000 wrote: Hm, Xisico/Bam or something along those lines? I hear they're gonna be discontinued though... I've been looking on Xisico web and i found XISICO XS-B9-1 was tempting. Spring repeater, no need worry about running out CO2 or PCP. But i also found it's a China Air Gun, how reliable this gun is? AirGunEric wrote: Could you be more specific on what you mean by "compact size" airgun? What is the maximum overall length you are trying to match? Do you have any legal restrictions on guns with suppressors in Indonesia? Sorry, i should have to add detail on compact size limitation. My limitation for length is less than 40" - 42". Also there are caliber limit in here, we only allowed to have .177 cal _________________ - Back2daHooD -   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:47 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" It's the $200.00 barrier that might be an issue to get both a pumper and a repeater. The XS-B9 is not a particularly worthy gun- it is mid-low level Chinese product, whereas the B40's and such are more high-end Chinese product. Benjamin 397 (single shot, no repeater): http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-sheridan-397.shtml You could look at something like a Crosman 1760 with an added RIM magazine, which will fit you in under $200.00 But, the AM 850 is probably your best overall choice for a relatively inexpensive repeater- but it is a bit above your budget, and is a bit over your length requirement (41"): http://www.pyramydair.com/p/rws-850-AirMagnum-air-rifle.shtml   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:57 pm broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands One can shorten an Airmagnum, and bulk fill it (or do the HPA mod), and it'll still be quite compact. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:09 pm donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area AirGunEric wrote: It's the $200.00 barrier that might be an issue to get both a pumper and a repeater. The XS-B9 is not a particularly worthy gun- it is mid-low level Chinese product, whereas the B40's and such are more high-end Chinese product. Benjamin 397 (single shot, no repeater): http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-sheridan-397.shtml You could look at something like a Crosman 1760 with an added RIM magazine, which will fit you in under $200.00 But, the AM 850 is probably your best overall choice for a relatively inexpensive repeater- but it is a bit above your budget, and is a bit over your length requirement (41"): http://www.pyramydair.com/p/rws-850-AirMagnum-air-rifle.shtml What is a "RIM magazine"? RE: RIM magazine   Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:58 pm packrat Senior Member Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 882 Location: Out in the woods...Ellabell, GA. It is Rotary Index Magazine available from qbmags.com..It is a ammo magazine that is manually operated by shooter. I have one that I use on my 2240 and my 2250B and will Use on my Discovery when I get one!!..Best thing is fo ryou to just visit Jay's website and check it out. I absolutely love mine and will probably buy another in the near future.... www.qbmags.com/ _________________ HEY !! This getting old thing is NOT for sissies... Re: RE: RIM magazine   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:21 am donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area packrat wrote: It is Rotary Index Magazine available from qbmags.com..It is a ammo magazine that is manually operated by shooter. I have one that I use on my 2240 and my 2250B and will Use on my Discovery when I get one!!..Best thing is fo ryou to just visit Jay's website and check it out. I absolutely love mine and will probably buy another in the near future.... www.qbmags.com/ Thanks I went to the site and it looks like they wont work on a 1760se since the bolt is different than on the 22xx crosmans. Re: RE: RIM magazine   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:43 am AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" donec wrote: Thanks I went to the site and it looks like they wont work on a 1760se since the bolt is different than on the 22xx crosmans. Bolt is different? You need to have a steel breech kit installed on the 22xx's and 13xx's to make the RIM work- it needs a scope rail to be attached. Thus, the bolt would be the same as any of the others. I believe the 1760se has a steel breech, so I'm confused as to why the bolt would be different? _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:49 am rsterne Moderator Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 2998 Location: Coalmont, BC Quote: it needs a scope rail to be attached Nope, but it does need a Crosman steel breech.... it fits the Disco, 13XX or 22XX as long as it has that.... Guns with a plastic breech will need to be upgraded.... Having said that, if you have extended the length of the probe on the bolt on a 13XX or 22XX you may have to chop it back or shorten the back of the bolt to get enough room for the magazine in the loading port.... If you have a Disco you WILL have to shorten the back of the bolt a bit (or buy their shoortened bolt).... When you shorten the bolt, don't go too far or you won't be able to cock the gun.... Bob _________________ Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since! Airsonal: Too many to count! Re: RE: RIM magazine   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:42 am donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area AirGunEric wrote: donec wrote: Thanks I went to the site and it looks like they wont work on a 1760se since the bolt is different than on the 22xx crosmans. Bolt is different? You need to have a steel breech kit installed on the 22xx's and 3xx's to make the RIM work- it needs a scope rail to be attached. thus, the bolt would be the same as any of the others. I believe the 1760se has a steel breech, so I'm confused as to why the bolt would be different? This is a quote from the manual..... Quote: The DISCO-Rim system can be installed on the Benjamin Discovery and Crosman rifles which use the 22XX long steel breech. The bolts on these rifles must be modified to allow extra room for the magazine or you may purchase our custom bolt . It is currently available in .22 cal and the part number is Disco-bolt-22. If you would like to modify your own bolt, the backside that contacts the cocking pin needs to be shortened by approximately 3mm. Removing too much will not allow the rifle to cock. Removing too little and the bolt probe will not clear the magazine. That and the fact that they have Custom bolt you can buy is trhe cause for my statement.   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:59 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" ? It still doesn't change anything- the 1760 uses the exact same setup- so it's bolt needs to be shortened- just like the 22xx/Disco bolts. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:52 pm donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area AirGunEric wrote: ? It still doesn't change anything- the 1760 uses the exact same setup- so it's bolt needs to be shortened- just like the 22xx/Disco bolts. That may well be but it is more modification than I am ready to consider at this time. Thanks for your replies.   Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:14 pm rsterne Moderator Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 2998 Location: Coalmont, BC With all due respect.... I have a RIM magazine fitted to a Crosman steel breech.... with an unmodified bolt.... As I said in my earlier post: IF you have a 22XX or 13XX bolt that has not had the bolt probe lengthened, the RIM will work fine.... you do NOT have to shorten the back of the bolt providing it is stock.... IF you have a Disco bolt, you WILL need to shorten the back of the bolt.... the reason for this is that the Disco bolt is 0.085" longer than the bolt supplied with a 13XX or 22XX Crosman steel breech.... IF you choose not to believe me.... that is YOUR decision.... just trying to help.... Bob _________________ Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since! Airsonal: Too many to count! 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