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Air Gun Home Forum Index » General Air Gun Questions and Topics » Diana RWS 34 Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Diana RWS 34   Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:00 pm Legendpilot Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Hey all.. I am considering a new addition to the family. Quality, reliability, and value are priority, as well as power and aesthetics. Having researched all of my available options, I have narrowed my choices down to a few. I am particularly interested in the .177 Diana RWS 34 Panther Pro, Panther Pro Compact, Meisterschutze Pro, and Meisterschutze Pro Compact. From what I've read the Panther Pro and the Meisterschutze Pro are almost identical rifles sans the synthetic stock on the Panther. This choice ultimately must be decided by me I know, but I'm looking for guidance in relation to the Pro, and the Compact Pro. The barrel length is 4" shorter on each Compact Pro than it is on the Pro, yet each gun boasts 1000fps. Two questions, wouldn't the shorter barrel length yield less fps than a longer barrel on the same unit? Also, and I guess this isn't as varied, but I would assume accuracy would also be affected? Additionally, the Compact Pro's are slightly more expensive than the Pro's; why am I paying more money for less material? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. -Lp   Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:51 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia Just get a regular 34 in .22. If you don't plan to hunt much, get the .177 to save money. I can attest to the gun being an excellent creature. Mine is worn in with over 6,000 shots to it and runs like a race horse. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:54 am cjs Member Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 62 I also have a RWS 34 in .22. It was my first "real" airgun and it is great! As far as velocity of a longer barrel compared to a shorter barrel, you would have 4 more inches of friction, so I would assume it is higher on the shorter barrel. -Chris ________ Dc Medical Marijuana Last edited by cjs on Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:48 pm; edited 1 time in total   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:29 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands The difference between a longer/shorter barrel could be discussed, but it generally doesn't make much of a noticeable difference. The shorter version is better balanced, though. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:52 am Crosman140 Senior Member Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 663 Location: USA I'll be this could be a long discussion... But my understanding was that with a longer barrel you should be able to expect greater accuracy if all other variables were equal. And I believe more foot pounds coming out of the longer barrel. But the shorter carbine look is desirable to many, including myself, as well. _________________ My Critter Gitters .22 Crosman 140 (1955) .177 Crosman G1 (2009) .177 Crosman 1377 (2009) .177 Daisy 880 (2019) BB Daisy Red Ryder (2012) BB Daisy Buck (2019) BB Crosman 1600 (1980) BB Marksman 1010 (1979)   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:03 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Crosman140 wrote: I'll be this could be a long discussion... But my understanding was that with a longer barrel you should be able to expect greater accuracy if all other variables were equal. Accuracy is determined by how the barrel is rifled. Things like the spin and twist and such determine how fast the pellet will spin. At certain speeds, a certain amount of spins translate into accuracy. Crosman140 wrote: And I believe more foot pounds coming out of the longer barrel. This depends much more on the powerhouse. However, with Gas powered rifles, this indeed increases the power. The gas has more time to expand in a longer barrel, thus it increases power. This doesn't apply to Spring powered rifles. Don't ask me why, but that's how it is. Crosman140 wrote: But the shorter carbine look is desirable to many, including myself, as well. Oh yes, carbines are awesome, however I like them extra long too. As long as it isn't to average. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:07 am Crosman140 Senior Member Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 663 Location: USA Quote: This doesn't apply to Spring powered rifles. Don't ask me why, but that's how it is. Interesting that this doesn't apply to springers. Thanks for all the great info. Much appreciated. _________________ My Critter Gitters .22 Crosman 140 (1955) .177 Crosman G1 (2009) .177 Crosman 1377 (2009) .177 Daisy 880 (2019) BB Daisy Red Ryder (2012) BB Daisy Buck (2019) BB Crosman 1600 (1980) BB Marksman 1010 (1979)   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:15 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Someone has written something about it earlier on the forum, but I can't seem to find it. Some discussions drop by once in a while. Might be a good idea to put the facts somewhere, although they just might be in the FAQ already. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:12 am AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" The idea of a longer barrel producing more power is dependent on how much air or gas of whatever sort is being pushed through, and the time it needs to fully expand-i.e. it is almost fully expanded as the pellet leaves the muzzle. Co2 rifles tend to do better if the barrel is longer and the valving is there to move the volume- the same can be true of PCP, the principle also applies to springers (but is generally less relevant in the real world) because the volume of air being moved hasn't changed- there is no valve in a springer that can be modified, the only thing that would noticeably change the air volume would be a longer piston stroke or a completely new tube (larger) and piston to fit it. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:31 pm Crosman140 Senior Member Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 663 Location: USA That actually makes perfect sense. Thanks. _________________ My Critter Gitters .22 Crosman 140 (1955) .177 Crosman G1 (2009) .177 Crosman 1377 (2009) .177 Daisy 880 (2019) BB Daisy Red Ryder (2012) BB Daisy Buck (2019) BB Crosman 1600 (1980) BB Marksman 1010 (1979)   Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:02 am Legendpilot Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Thanks for the input, and science brush-up. I've decided on the compact version with a natural stock, however I have found yet another option. The RWS 350 Feuerkraft, available in a pro compact version as well, claims to push a .22 pellet @ 1000fps. Since all my AG's so far are chambered in .177, I am giving this consideration as well. Albeit a little pricey, I think it would be worth it for something I'll be able to pass along to my children's children. Of course I can't warrant this purchase with my wife until after Christmas, but I think it's a go. I'll keep posted with details when they become available. Great group! RWS Diana 350 Feuerkraft Pro Compact with 3-9x40 scope. 0.22" 1000 ft/sec   Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:34 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia You shouldn't be dissappointed. Except cocking effort. The gun is likely hard enough with a long barrel. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:11 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" The 350 is a bit harsh on recoil and has become known as a "scope killer". So- use a proper airgun-rated scope with the correct mounting system if getting the 350! _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:34 pm cw Banned Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 1771 It's quite hold sensitive also.   Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:01 pm Legendpilot Member Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Baltimore, Maryland AirGunEric wrote: The 350 is a bit harsh on recoil and has become known as a "scope killer". So- use a proper airgun-rated scope with the correct mounting system if getting the 350! I was worried about that having read it before. Do you think the included scope will suffice, maybe with a one piece mount & stop, or should I opt for something better? cw wrote: It's quite hold sensitive also. I figured as much being such a beast. 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