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Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

Yeah, but I think a fox pelt has some instrinsic value to it. I suppose if you are not in the business of skinning and tanning then you wouldn't want to burden yourself with that, but I know that if I killed an animal as large as a fox and saw it laying there in the trash with just its tale chopped off....I wouldn't feel good about it.

I mean I kill birds all the time. I've stuck a whole family of dead birds I shot in a grocery bag and thrown it in the dumpster like it was yesterday's garbage. But I also drive past smashed bird carcasses on the road all the time, and see their carcasses laying dead in any number of random places. Birds are almost like insects in their multitude and are plentiful and insignificant. But how many foxes could possibly be in your woods? Especially when they are being hunted just for the tips of their tails?

broommaster2000 · Moderator

I think I agree with Roger here. Something the size of a Fox being hunted, one should definately try and use the resources given by such an animal.

Old Pa · Member

I like seeing foxes out in the woods. Something about their manner and their eyes reminds me of dogs, of other predators. Maybe it's professional courtesy. Smile

Through the winter and into the Spring before the misquitoes come out, I take my two spaniel girls for a long walk each night after supper. Along that two and a half mile route this Spring, there was a wooded area where, despite some close houses, we saw a litter of fox kits playing. Cute as buttons, they were ruckusing with each other each evening. Over the next couple of weeks, we watched them grow. My spaniels listen to me and stayed away from the kits, just watched with great interest. Then the kits weren't there any more. I remember hoping they were okay.

But while the fox kits were there, I had absolutely no thought of killing any of them. Sure, foxes can be destructive and hard on poultry, but these little guys weren't bothering anyone.

BTW, the red squirrels I was discussing earlier had chewed their way into my attic and taken up residency. That's something I could not tolerate.

cissp22 · Member

i think im convinced ...

yaaa ..foxes are oppressed du to their pelts and tail ,but not rare in our area ...now a days they are so few hunters for unlawful to eat & pelt huntings.

in real challenge i feel more offended when shooting a groundhog rather than a fox ...maybe because of an innocent view of that !!

i should work on myself ...it seems that i should better hunt abundant&harmful animals.

thanks@all.

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

Old Pa, I respect your story and the experience you had with the fox pups, but because an animal is small or cute or not immediately doing something that you find destructive does not mean it is any better or worse than any other animal. My girlfriend tells me "Birds are so small and cute, why do you kill them?" You can't justify or condemn hunting with a sentimental mindset like that.

I've never been impressed by people's babies, getting sappy and all that and making the googly faces and crap. I just look at them as smaller humans. Whether I'm cold or calous or don't impress easy...maybe all of the above. But not being influenced by things that are superficial like that enables you to regard the less than "cute" things in life with the same accord.

Old Pa · Member

Ed Krzynowek · Member

23ib0d0n · Moderator

How about the Diana 52? Twisted Evil

cissp22 · Member

thanks Ed Krzynowek ...

well when hunting medium-size animals like fox or so ..it gives me more confidence shooting with (higher fps) air rifle...but i 100% agree with u ...i also feel much better with 460 and others rather than 350 (very bad hand touch) ...realy hard too mange 350 du to its lenght ..

i was thinking of Gamo hunter Extreme 1600 in .22 or .17 ...any body has ever used ?

<23ib0d0n>.....WOW ur Scope impressed me more !!! ..how far do u shoot and ur group size plz? :>..do u have any chrono of ur rifle ?

Old Pa · Member

AirGunEric · Site Admin

cissp22 · Member

thanks AirGunEric
thast exactly what i get through..

i saw a video in Youtube , the guy lost a Gopher with its .22 Hornet centerfire with middle stomach shot placement in 150 yards !! ...this rifle has over 300FPE also after 200 yards ! but it may have been killed clean with air rifle with better shot placement also in 150 yards (headshot)..

23ib0d0n · Moderator

I'm pretty sure the velocity Mr Krzynowek is talking about, is useful trajectory, as opposed to Gamo PBA hype velocity.
He does know a l'il bit about bbguns . . . Twisted Evil

< This rig

took a ride to Lavon, Texas

and won shooting against a JW75 and a TX200SR . . . Giant Grin

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

broommaster2000 · Moderator

Oh Dianas are real Diamonds in the rough. They are pretty good to start with, but after a good tuning, they'll beat the rifles named by J, I can second that.

However, the pricetag is also pretty high.