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| AirGunEric |
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Anyone know if there are any differences between the "genuine" Weihrauch HW77's and HW97's compared to the Beeman versions of the same?
Weihrauch is imported into the US market directly- so why does Beeman have their "own" imports of it?
Also- any idea of which 'brand' is typically lower in price?
And lastly- anyone here own either an HW77 or an HW97? Which 'brand' and what do you think of it/them? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:25 am |
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Then the Beemans sold the kit and kaboodle to marksman.
According to Tim at Mac1 what Hans sells to Beeman now are 'select barrel' guns {aka: less droop}
Tim is probably the 'go to' guy for any HW tunes since he has been to the factory as Hans' guest so many times and has all the 'newest' information on how they're being built and the most current manufacturing materials being used.
The imported Beeman versions are almost always 20~30% higher price.
Let me know if that answered the questions sufficiently. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:02 pm |
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Sold to Marksman? I thought Marksman was Beeman's "low end" gun division (i.e. like their Chinese import division)?
Just so I understand this completely- the Beeman gun is still an all Weihrauch-built piece, but with an "anti droop" feature? Any idea what has been done to correct droop issues?
Is Weihrauch planning to implement this feature into its regular line of guns coming to the US? Or is this only intended to be a special thing for Beeman? |
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the way it works in canada is beeman brings in hw guns slaps thier name on it and sells it for a higher price....but if you talk to the one with the thicker carpet and buy straight from hw it will be a little cheaper.
Key example is the hw40 the beeman model and the m2004 |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:53 pm |
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| AirGunEric wrote: |
| Sold to Marksman? I thought Marksman was Beeman's "low end" gun division (i.e. like their Chinese import division)? |
Dr Beeman sold to marksman several years ago and there were some stipulations to the deal, some to do with marksman labeling and some to do with import negotiations. My sources are peolpe in the business {like Tim at Mac1} so it isn't exactly 'from the horses mouth' but certainly quite reliable.
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| Just so I understand this completely- the Beeman gun is still an all Weihrauch-built piece, but with an "anti droop" feature? Any idea what has been done to correct droop issues? |
What I was told is a Beeman rep. handed Hans a scope with standard mounts and asked him to sight it in. So Hans solution was to start building the Beeman specific rifles to work more readily with glass. European guns are still designed to be used with the more efficient diopter systems, which is why the mild degree of droop continues as an important feature in the Euro market.
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| Is Weihrauch planning to implement this feature into its regular line of guns coming to the US? Or is this only intended to be a special thing for Beeman? |
The Weihrauch label marketing for the US seems to also be the Euro specific 'use of iron' style construction, although it seems to me that would be more effective if they had them all setup for iron. Sorta silly to droop a 97 when you already 'know' that it has been designed as a 'glass only' system. You'll want to also remember that we're dealing with an 'old world' German rifle maker, which seems to play into the equation some what. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:54 pm |
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Whatever germans make or build, it's sure to be of a good design.  And next to that is Czech. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:57 pm |
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Sure are pretty heavy those Weihrauch's!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:59 pm |
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| StevieLaner7777 wrote: |
Sure are pretty heavy those Weihrauch's!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:12 pm |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:19 am |
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Airguns are quite a bit underestimated. Remember the Girandoni Air Rifle? It was better then most guns at that time. There are PCP's that can hit something at 300 meters. There are even springers that can hit something at more then 50 meters.
Airguns sure deserve a lot of credit. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:19 am |
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| broommaster2000 wrote: |
| Airguns are quite a bit underestimated. Remember the Girandoni Air Rifle? It was better then most guns at that time. |
Rapid fire and lethal to 150m was why anyone caught with one was executed as an assasin. Serious military advantage . . .
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| There are PCP's that can hit something at 300 meters. |
.457 DAQ putting out over 400fpe
.308 DAQ putting out over 300fpe
Yes, I'm gonna have to agree wth you on 300m being well within range.
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| There are even springers that can hit something at more then 50 meters. |
I shoot both those dianas out to 80m and often get 35mm groups.
| broommaster2000 wrote: |
| Airguns sure deserve a lot of credit. |
I particularly like that I don't have to worry about what a slug might hit 2~4km away . . . |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:32 am |
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I'm now following a firearms course. Somewhere around 2008 I should be able to have a nice firearm of my own. But it still won't allow me to shoot in my back yard. That's why I love airguns. In my country you can have any power output on your airgun as long as you don't walk around with it. There is no law against a certain amount of power. I hope it stays like that.
40 meters is enough for me now. I don't think I'll ever sell my slavia or umarex. Especially after that slavia's been tuned. The umarex is going to stay my "first love". Even if it will cost me the money it costed me to get it working again if it breaks down. |
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