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Air Gun Home Forum Index » General Air Gun Questions and Topics » Airguns vs. firearms. Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  Airguns vs. firearms.   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:25 pm whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 OK I've been around firearms most of my life, airguns not so much. One thing I have been taught from the beginning was to open the action when I pick a gun up. Most airguns I encountered I couldn't do this with. So how much of my experince with firearms transfers over to airguns? What pitfalls should be aware of? Thanks Re: Airguns vs. firearms.   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:51 pm Jetronic Member Joined: 05 Jan 2013 Posts: 33 Location: Belgium whm1974 wrote: OK I've been around firearms most of my life, airguns not so much. One thing I have been taught from the beginning was to open the action when I pick a gun up. Most airguns I encountered I couldn't do this with. So how much of my experince with firearms transfers over to airguns? What pitfalls should be aware of? Thanks you can break the barrel on a breakbarrel springer, or open the loading port on the pcp/lever action guns   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:22 pm justsayno Member Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 46 Location: South of Philly with the FX semi auto... plenty _________________ If I could only be normal   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:30 pm Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA I think opening the action serves two purposes: First, it allows you to check the breech to be sure a round isn't chambered. Second, if the gun is unattended it allows a range officer or other shooters to tell at a glance that the gun has been disabled. Most break-barrel guns allow you to crack the barrel open enough (without cocking) to accomplish both purposes. Side or under lever springers can probably be opened enough for inspection, but may require some kind of block to hold the breech open. Tap loaders will have some kind of lever on the loading tap that gives a positive visual indication. Gas guns like CO2, PCP, HPA, or pumpers will probably have some kind of bolt or lever that can be opened. I only have one gun that prevents opening the action - a Crosman P10 "BB" pistol. It is totally enclosed, and the best I can do is remove the magazine and open the CO2 capsule area to show it's uncharged. Where it gets sticky is when chamber-empty-indicators are required. Here a piece of flourescent weed-whacker line helps. In a formal range situation where a gun must be unloaded and disabled when left unattended, airguns are tougher to unload than cartridge arms. It helps to have a trap or means to unload them by discharging. As far as other safety measures, the "Ten Commandments" of firearm safety all apply, except that I would amend the part about not shooting at rocks or water and add rubber because of the rebound effect. In the end there really is no difference, in that a gun is always loaded, and the person holding it is the principal safety mechanism. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:52 pm whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 Quote: Where it gets sticky is when chamber-empty-indicators are required. That's one thing I hate about my powerline 1200 BB pistol and the slide action BB/dart/pellet/ pistol I use to have. No way to tell if the chamber is loaded. Quote: In the end there really is no difference, in that a gun is always loaded, and the person holding it is the principal safety mechanism I would think so. Thanks guys, anymore tips?   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:47 pm mod90 Veteran Member Joined: 04 Jun 2011 Posts: 279 If using a spring/NP gun, you'll need to adjust your hold a bit, other than that, nothing else comes to mind immediately. _________________ There is no tradition greater than the hunt, passed through countless generations. For those that enjoy the hunt, no explanation is needed. For those that do not, no explanation is good enough.   Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:15 pm whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 Quote: If using a spring/NP gun, you'll need to adjust your hold a bit, other than that, nothing else comes to mind immediately. Yeah, I read about that. So what guns are spring/NP besides break barrels?   Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:03 pm mod90 Veteran Member Joined: 04 Jun 2011 Posts: 279 Unless its PCP or CO2 powered, all other forms of air guns are NP/Spring powered. This includes side lever, under lever and break barrel guns _________________ There is no tradition greater than the hunt, passed through countless generations. For those that enjoy the hunt, no explanation is needed. For those that do not, no explanation is good enough.   Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:17 pm whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 Quote: Unless its PCP or CO2 powered, all other forms of air guns are NP/Spring powered. This includes side lever, under lever and break barrel guns Including Single/Multi-pump pneumatics?   Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:52 pm Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Quote: Including Single/Multi-pump pneumatics? You are correct. They would function the same as the CO2 and PCP guns. Essentially there are only two types - either energy is stored as a gas under pressure to begin with, or energy is stored in a spring that pushes the air. A compressed gas can be pumped in, come from another pressurized vessel, or come from liquid CO2 boiling off. A spring can be either a metal coil or a nitrogen-filled strut. In addition to break barrels, underlevers, and sidelevers, let's not forget slide actions like the Daisy Model 25. And speaking of the 25, if you really want to get finicky you would have to include catapault guns. That gun (and some other Daisy's) have a hollow probe ahead of the piston seal that not only transfers pressurized air, but also whacks the BB directly. And whm1974- in another thread you mention having downloaded a copy of the Cardew book. Wait until you get to the part about lean burn combustion of lubricant contributing to the kinetic energy of the projectile. But mostly it's either gas or spring. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:31 pm whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 Thanks, I used to have a Multi-pump pneumatic BB/Pellet rifle years ago. While it was fun to shoot, it was also tiresome to pump...   Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:30 pm oddtodd Silver Status Member Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Richmond, IN USA My son Tace says he is going to look like popeye from pumping his crosman. I told him it was to build up strength for a break barrel. so far so good. lol Seriously though, I like my break barrels for hunting and my CO2s for pest control and showing off. _________________ Airguns: Two starlings talking "Larry, did you hear that? Larry?? LARRY!!!!"   Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:18 am whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 Quote: My son Tace says he is going to look like popeye from pumping his crosman. I told him it was to build up strength for a break barrel. I suppose that's one of looking at it. What's a good single-pump pneumatic?   Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:58 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Look at the Daisy 953. Not very powerful, but it is a single stroke pneumatic with a rifled barrel: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Powerline_953_TargetPro/585 A step down from that is the Daisy 840. This one is really a BB gun (smoothbore), but will shoot pellets. http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Model_840_Grizzly_B/293 And a hefty step up in price brings you to the Avanti (Daisy) 853/953. These are nearly identical to the 953, except for the sights and a German Lothar Walther barrel: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Avanti_853/145 http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Avanti_753/144 _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:01 am whm1974 Veteran Member Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 337 Thanks. I have never shot pellets before, so shooting a pellet gun will be treat for me when I get one. 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