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Greenangel · Member

thanks for the fast response must have cought u at a good time
am gonna finish the mod tomorrow
thought i was jsut gonna do it but then i realized how grainy the grease was and i just cant put it back together with that grainy shat...
am gonna go to honda and try get that moly 60 grease..
should i just put a thin coat on all the internals...????
am gonna replace those washers with brass or steel whichever i can fine in this hell hole called fort st john
for anyone who reads this i cant express enough how shatty the china grease is
i dont think they ever removerd the metal shavings after they machined this stuff
just get some grease on your fingers and rub them together and it feels like sandpaper
brutal

more posts to come

AirGunEric · Site Admin

Moly grease is still grease. You want to wipe it on all the parts, then rub it in with a reasonably clean cloth- the idea here is to "burnish" the metal with the moly and leave as little grease as possible (grease will just gum the gun up) and then actually lube it with 20 or 30 weight engine oil (non-detergent type) if your local auto parts store doesn't have non-detergent oil, you can also use air compressor oil (for the compressor itself. not air tool oil). Molybdenum is just a surface coat, more a "spacer" than any sort of lubricant and grease is just too thick- especially in the colder months of the year. So, you want to get that gray coat on things from the moly and eliminate as much of the grease as possible. Sounds tricky, but it's not as bad as it sounds.

As for the "Special Chinese Lube"- mine wasn't gritty- but it was rather wax-like in its consistency which was also no good.

Greenangel · Member

thanks a lot

just dont want to mess anything up

i like to know fully what i am doing before i do it

now i got into it i had a bunch of questions and the responce time was awesome

definately the best airgun forum i have found yet by far
sure am glad i finally filled out the user name password thing
must have passed this website 10 times before i filled it out
awesome site

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Mar · Veteran Member

I'm looking forward at seeing more of this and the results. I'll be taking mine apart pretty soon for a good clean up and such.

As for lubing the insides, wouldn't a Teflon base lubricant be the thing to use?

AirGunEric · Site Admin

"Teflon" based lubricants are dubious at best. Look here for a bit of info:

http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=586

Also- most lubricants of this type are thin oils- as in too think to work well in an airgun. Molybdenum on the other hand- can be "cold" applied just be rubbing it on parts.

Mar · Veteran Member

Interesting read, thanks for the links.

Mar · Veteran Member

So...Eric...How's the rifle shooting now with the new trigger? I can only assume it's way better, can't wait to receive mine.

In stock form right now I seem to shoot better basically shooting off hand, with elbow resting than of a rest, but that could be my shooting style also.

Mine you, it's been awhile since I shot a springer. Got close to 500 shots through mine now, smokes a bit still but not as bad as I first got it. I think you were right about dieseling as it seems to have gotten better.

I was at an auto parts store today and saw what they call rubber lube, ever heard of it? Apparently it's good for o-rings and lubrication in general, what do you think of that?

Well you're keeping me in suspense here...need to hear more.

Mar · Veteran Member

Update: Just took three shots, one with Cr pointed, one Cr wad, one with cr Premier HP. Target: Beeman 25ft target, First shot ponted, 9 ring, might have touch the bullseye. Second was the wadcutterin the 8 ring, third shot, the hp, Bullseye.

Not much room for error on these targets but again this was resting one arm on my computer chair firing 25ft away. Not the steadiest rest by all account, not the best trigger and not the best scope out there.

But...I like that, only wish I could do that all the time. Seems like all three pellets, at that distance agree with the Phantom anyway. Smile

Greenangel · Member

allright so i got the piston cut down i decided on 45mm
cause it didnt look like there was much more room at the front of the piston to carve that hole out a full 50
got it all back together and just fired a test shot and it sounds way more powerfull
trigger seemed a little harder to pull probably cause of the notch i made was a bit different from the one that they punch out for the trigger
am just gonna have a quick bite of supper then am gonna head out and shoot off a few rounds
will let ya know how it goes

AirGunEric · Site Admin

Good to hear you've got it going in the direction you want it. The harder trigger pull may be your design (did you take any pictures of your modified piston?)- and it could just be that the increased load the trigger pin must support because of the tightly compressed spring. See the post on Pellet testing by Mar- I put a note in there- my enhanced power Phantom needs to be held pretty tight to shoot right- none of this "casual resting" stuff like we've all been told by the masters of air rifle shooting (who it seems, are basing their techniques on low-powered Daisy target rifles shot at 10m targets).

Greenangel · Member

i do have a pic but is still on the camera will post it later tonight

had a few problems at first also the gun was not engaging the lock when i would cock it, had to wiggle it a bit
wasn't happy with that so i took it back apart and remeasured the space at the back end of the piston and it was 6.5 mm not the normal 6mm
reground that down a bit with the dremel and got her back together
is amazing now will shoot clean through a 3/4 inch piece of wood i found at the shop
and a friends hadngun was shooting pellets (almost flush ) into the back sliding door on an old farm barn
shot it with mine and it went straight through and through the siding behind it
all who have seen it are going to go and get one they cant believe it

to all who helped thanks
awesome mod
will send pic of modded piston soon

Greenangel · Member

also as a note to others who are having trouble reasembly with no spring compressor

put all together and then holdtension at the last ring on that plastic piece then you can insert the trigger then press in rest of the way and push pin through
took a few mins to figure it out but is easy now
have fun modding

Greenangel · Member

here is a pic of the modded piston

AirGunEric · Site Admin

Good stuff- that should clarify things for people who weren't able to get a good "visual" idea of what people were talking about.

Mar · Veteran Member