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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:07 pm |
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Well I've allready sold the .177 QB78Deluxe I tuned last month.
I was able to buy a standard .22 SMK XS78 (Copy of the Crosman 160)
You can't keep them all... My favourite cal is .22
Switched the Deluxe triggergroup and Deluxe stock before I sold the .177.
I buy a lot of custom parts @ http://www.gmaccustomparts.com
Gmac has got his RFD recently, I was the first in the Netherlands he shipped an airgun to.
Also ordered a sighted silencer adaptor and a shiny brass bolt handle. Silencers are legal overhere.
Cleaned, tuned and resealed it.
Bought a Weihrauch silencer in the Netherlands because I expected the .22 to be loud.
Take I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJsjj9OXsnc
Shotstring out of the box and after the first part of the tune using 1 powerlet and one dummy
Next using 2 powerlets and lighter pellets
After that loaded 2 new powerlets and tried several pellets. It seems to dislike Gamo's and likes JSB's most.
After that slightly tapered the valve head and matched the piercingpin disc dia.
Next I did 2 10 shot 10 meter groups using a 4x Hawke scope.
Take II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu10RFopMoM
After that another Chrony string
Take III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWEIqbvhdrs
To do:
some more polishing
re-seal the probe (forgotten)
brass blacken the silencer adaptor
fit a few more brass parts I've ordered (barrelband, end caps)
shorten the silencer base to match the adaptor dia
Nono:
I won't angle the valve port exit hole
Usefull links:
The Charlie da Tuna tune
http://www.charliedatuna.com/CO2TuneByCharlie.htm
The Charlie da Tuna sealkit
http://www.charliedatuna.com/CO2%20Info.htm
Sealkit from Engeland
http://woodfield-gcp.webs.com
UK board dedicated to Chinese airguns
http://ukchineseairgunforum.myfreeforum.org They have got a -12fpe tuning guide available
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:38 am |
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I am truly in awe of your tuning abilities !!!!!!! JUST LAST NIGHT, I sat thinking how neat it would be if the average guy (like me)could find complete instructions with pictures for doing mods to airguns ( specifically the AR 2078A) which is a really cool looking rifle and has the exact same action as the QB78. I sit here this morning, drinking coffee and run across your post and am ELATED..since I was thinking about this just last night, as I said earlier....So I sit here reading slowly and carefully, referring to pix and trying to grasp it all. So I've finished reading and looking at your post, and two things become very apparent to me..ONE-you are at a level of airgun smithing that I can appreciate for the talent that it is, and TWO--as much as I would like to, I know that I would never be able to accomplish the sort of task you've displayed here. I'll gladly pay someone, hopefully as talented as you seem to be, to do any sort of work of this nature on my airguns. MY hat goes off to you sir! To say I'm impressed would be the understatement of the year..AWESOME WORK !!
Thank you for taking the time to post all that..I know that that was a task in itself !!! THIS PLACE ROCKS !!! |
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:42 am |
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Brutuz |
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Thanks for the kind words, please bear in mind that tweaking like I did just needs a basic technical skil and the basic tools. For polishing and de-burring a Dremel is very handy. Read the tuning guide a couple of times.
I took it apart again today...
Polished the inside of the hollow probe, the inside of the hammer unit, took off the washers and used a piece of Crosman hammerspring to preload the hammerspring, resealed the probe, cleaned and lubed all parts and was amazed by the improved performance...
As before these mods, the fps drops below 490'ish around shot 37.
But the power went up.... Amazing!
Got quite exited so I didn't wait one minute between shots.
Used H&N Hollowpoint 12,65 grain = 12.8 fpe @ 68 Fahrenheit.
First 4 shots
668
675
675
673
then I got a few errors, upto shot 16 all above 650 fps
Switched to 14.35 grain M.S pellets and shot 16 was 634 fps / 12.81 fpe and after that shot the fps gradually dropped, shot 34 was 556 fps. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:28 pm |
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From reading your posts and watching your videos, it's plain that you are no novice when it comes to modifying/building airguns. So what to you seems just old run-of-the-mill mods, is to me, a major undertaking! I admire your work very much and I'm sure others here do as well. AT least I got my wish....instructions and pictures for modifying the AR2078A rifle. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:14 pm |
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Hey Brutuz what do you think of the SMK compared with the Deluxe 78, also how good do you find the Weihrauch silencer?
Anyway the SMK sure looks nice and the sighted silencer mount is new to me, nice job!
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:49 am |
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Brutuz |
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packrat wrote: |
From reading your posts and watching your videos, it's plain that you are no novice when it comes to modifying/building airguns. So what to you seems just old run-of-the-mill mods, is to me, a major undertaking! I admire your work very much and I'm sure others here do as well. AT least I got my wish....instructions and pictures for modifying the AR2078A rifle. |
Last year I had never taken an airgun apart, this year Broommaster sold me a Crosman SSP250 in parts which I reassembled and that's basicly the reason I learned how to do it, using an exploded view as a guide.
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Hey Brutuz what do you think of the SMK compared with the Deluxe 78, also how good do you find the Weihrauch silencer?
Anyway the SMK sure looks nice and the sighted silencer mount is new to me, nice job!
Al |
I think the quality is the same, the only thing different I noticed was that the SMK XS78 piercing ping allready had a smooth shaped piercing pin at the pin end of it.
The Weihrauch just says phut so I reckon it's quite good. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:35 pm |
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Matched the barrel porthole to the breech porthole and could not resist: angled the valve's exit hole very carefully.
Afterwards wanted to see if I did it wright and check if it still worked. After trying several home made valve-to-breech seals I ended up refurbishing a poly seal which I streched a bit to wide.
Allthough it's leaking a bit at the side of the breech the Chrony reading was 695 fps using the Hollowpionts
Also tried a few H&N Baracuda heavies and was amazed by the penetration
Hope the new seals will arrive tomorrow.
These QB78's / XS78'es / Techforce 78's / Archer Airgun 78's, basicly all the same and a lot of fun to work on and to shoot |
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:42 pm |
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Brutuz |
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Still waiting for the new seals. Mail between the UK and the Netherlands can drive one crazy.
The barrel seals look poor but can't notice it leaking there. Tried a range of home made seals, they all failed untill I made one that seems to do the job but I'm concerned it's inner dia and shape isn't as desired.
Did record a high of 705 fps using the .22 12.65 H&N Hollowpoints |
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:16 pm |
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:10 pm |
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Received the brass parts from Gmac today.
What do you think?
brass stock bolt
brass tube and breech end cap
brass barrel band
brass bolthandle
brass sighted silencer adapter with end cap
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:37 pm |
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I can only express this in dutch, buddy:
Het is een Puik buksjen! |
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:07 pm |
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Brutuz |
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:57 pm |
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Very smart and shiny Brutuz I like the brass, a man after my own heart.
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:27 pm |
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Well, to be honest, IT NEEDS MORE BRASS! |
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:31 pm |
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I'd have to send it to All I guess |
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