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Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

I just got my Talon SS today and I'm using a handpump to fill it. Of course, like always, I can't just get a thing and it work. I watched the video and read the manuals, so you'd think I'd be somewhat competent at this point.

I hooked up the adapter to the cylinder and then attached the hose from the hand pump on it. Of course it couldn't just fill silently like it did on the video. NOPE! Instead the thing starts hissing like an angry pit viper. Every pump, more hissing. Bleed valve is open you might ask, nope, its closed.

Now there is this overflow valve on the cylinder that I saw in the video. Naturally, mine looks different than that in the video and the picture in the instruction manual. I can't tell if there is supposed to be a screw of some sort in there or not.

Either way, I need help troubleshooting this. The one thing that always made me reluctant to get a PCP is because of the added complexity of filling tanks, valves, etc. And of course, here I am, having to deal with it. Please someone help me.

CW? You talked me into buying this thing.

lauchlin · Supporting Member

Sure i can help do you have any pics

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

Having reviewed the instructional video. The part I am thinking is missing is the safety burst disk. It appears to be a screw that looks kind of like a kermit the frog eye, if you know what that looks like. Keep in mind that I have to just assume it is missing since I don't even know what to look for. Allegedly that can rupture if overfilled, and I think the factory does fill them to test them, but that doesn't explain why mine is missing off the bat. I'm calling them now...

$800 and you'd think they'd send you working equipment.

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

Called Airforce and talked to some chicks there. They suggested that the valve cap was extended too far and that I adjust it back some. Considering that you need jewlers tools to do that (and since I am not a jeweler by trade) then there is nothing I can do right now to fix it.

She also said that they had changed safety burst valves which is why mine looked different, and I don't think that was it anyway.

Another alarming note was that the tank was pre-pressurized. I don't know how much, but I was able to depress the valve cap and release a good flow of air. Of course, the fellows at Impact Airguns who sold me this broke the law by mailing pressurized containers, but I digress.

They said on their website that the pre-test all guns before they ship them. That's great. If only they had pre-tested them to see if they worked!

cw · Banned

Where is it leaking from? If you can't tell by listening
and looking, mix two tablespoons of dish washing soap
into a cup of warm water and coat suspected area and pump.
note where the bubbles are comming from. It will probably
be leaking from either where the gun tank adapter and/or
pressure gauge screws into the pump. They can be sealed
with teflon pipe tape. Just unscrew them, wrap the threads
with a layer of teflon pipe tape and screw them back in.
Be careful not to over tighten them as they are screwed
into an aluminum heatsink which can be easily stripped.

Where did you purchase it? If you can't solve the problem,
send it back.
All Airforce guns have a lifetime warranty. I have used mine
twice and they were both quick and courteous each time.

CW

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

Thanks CW. I already know where the leak is, which is from the adapter. I was not able to find a picture of this to post. I couldn't even find a pic on impact air's website! And they sold it to me!

It's already got all that white tape on it and it looks solid and tight, but it is leaking nonetheless. I don't know if I just need a new adapter then or what. Having thought about it, I believe that the folks at Airforce that I talked to were unknowingly leading me astray with the valve cap "theory." I think the valve cap is fine, its the adapter.

CW, does your airforce pump require an adapter in order to fit the cylinder to it, or does the cylinder screw directly in?

lauchlin · Supporting Member

Is this were your leak is

cw · Banned

Roger, this is how mine is set up. There is no hose involved.
The adapter screws into either the SCUBA fill clamp or into
a brass adapter that mates the gun tank adapter to the pump.

CW

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

No, again that's all part of the problem here. There are too many permutations. You've got the scuba tank outfit which is not at all what I'm using. And then CW, you have the airforce handpump, but the adapter is still different than what I have. The black cylindrical part with the O ring is similar to what I have, but that big brass lug nut is replaced with a smaller more complex male component which then mates with the hose from the pump.

Sad thing is, I actually new better. I ordered the airforce pump but the guy said they were all out and said the Benjamin pump was the exact same except for the hose coming off the pump. By 'exact same' I guess he really meant, "Has different parts and doesn't work."

I talked to the guy who sold it to me and he seems willing to work with me on this until I get it fixed, so I'll just have to wait and see what happens. I have no other recourse right now. Believe me, I wish it were just a matter of someone pointing out something I was doing wrong and then it would all magically work perfectly.

23ib0d0n · Moderator

http://www.airhog.com/products.htm
1-888-871-1722
Talk to Van or Martin and tell them what you are trying to do using what fittings. They'll unquestionably have the fix . . . Cool

The tank, hose, fittings are all from Airhog, and they specialize in high end Airforce equipment. Twisted Evil

cw · Banned

Can you send it back and buy an Airforce one?
Pyramyd has them for $189.95 with free shipping
to your door.

CW

billandbeaufort · Senior Member

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

CW, I'm going to tell the guy that I only agreed to get the Benjamin pump because he said it would work fine. It did not. So if he doesn't have a very quick and inexpensive fix, then I'll just tell him I'm shipping it back to him for a full refund and I'll buy an airforce pump elsewhere.

What REALLY pisses me off is that they test the rifle and cylinder before they ship it. Which means they had to fill it. And of course I'm sure they have scuba tanks to fill the cylinders, so they didn't even bother to test to see if the cylinder could be filled with the equipment they sent me. If they had taken literally 20 seconds to do that, they instantly would've noticed something was wrong.

Now they have an angry customer, and have to waste thier time and my time to troubleshoot this remotely, when if they had just tested it themselves, then they could've told me that it worked fine before they sent it and it must be something I'm doing wrong. It always amazes me how some people choose to run their businesses.

I may just order the airforce pump now and deal with the refund later. I figure, better to be out $1000 and have a working airgun than to only be out $800, but not have jack sh!t to show for it.

23ib0d0n · Moderator

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

CW, I did what you and the guy told me about the thread sealer tape. I reapplied some and then tried it again and it least had some pressure, despite a slight leak. Then I reapplied like two more additional times to ensure a good solid seal. Seems to be working though.

I still have some additional questions. Since feeling it initially takes A LOT of work, I had to stop and come back. But I noticed that the pressure would drop a little. I assume that whats in the cylinder is "locked in" but I guess that some air was leaking out of the pump hose itself to account for the pressure loss.

Also, what is the max psi that I should fill the tank to? I assume 3000.

And when I have to refill it again, it says that it won't be totally empty. So what psi can I expect it to have left in it?