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bayou · New Member

im not new to air gunning but im new to the idea that you can mod them, and sense im a mod freak i have to know what kind of things i can do to the guns i have to get them to have more accuracy/power.
i have a ruger air hawk spring gun and a p.o.s daisy powerline 856 that i want to mod. but sense the air hawk is less than a week old and still under warranty i dont want to mod it yet.
so im wondering is there any thing i can do to my old daisy to give it more power?
thanks

Crosman140 · Senior Member

Hi and welcome to the forum. Someone with an intelligent answer will most likely be along soon.

broommaster2000 · Moderator

To be honest, I'm not sure what can be done to a low end gun like that Daisy you've mentioned. I wouldn't do a powermod on such a gun, since it might actually break down trying to achieve that... Neutral

You can put a tunekit into the Ruger, though, but if you're really that keen on warranty... Well, that's why we often recommend a gun that isn't a rebatched chinese one.

Still, there should be nice tuning-kits around, and that Ruger does look a bit like a certain Diana model so there's a big chance that tunekits for a certain Diana also fit into that Ruger.

I'm not sure which model though.

Hope this kept you reading long enough for someone else to post a reaction that will help you a tad more. Mr. Green

Apollo · Member

The Ruger Air Hawk is supposed to be a chinese clone of the Diana 34.

Slavia · Moderator

I think if I owned the Daisy I would forget power mods and concentrate on other (simple) stuff. There's a lot of plastic in that gun, and it's not really conducive to radical modification.

I would polish the muzzle crown for accuracy. I would do as much trigger work as I could without going overboard (deburring, shimming to prevent play, etc.) I like trigger shoes, so I'd make one. Finally, I would add weight to make it easier to hold on target.

Then there is the normal stuff - cleaning and lubrication, for example. Trying different pellets. Shooting at different power levels (number of pumps) to see where it's most accurate.

bayou · New Member

ok thanks guys, i didnt think that there was much i could do to help the old daisy.
im not keen on keeping the ruger under warranty, that is if i can get parts for it then i would rather fix it myself then pay then shipping to the factory.
is there any good places to get parts for these guns?

broommaster2000 · Moderator

Well, to be honest, you'd need a spring and spring guides and a good lubing to tune a springer. That's stuff that most people can't really do themselves because it takes a bit of knowledge to make spring guides.

It's also easier to drop in (for instance) a Maccari kit that already comes with some good fitting spring guides to begin with.

The Diana 31/34 is a very good platform to begin with, so I guess the Chinese version only needs some of the rough edges getting polished, and then a good lubing and tuning to get it where you want it.

bayou · New Member

ok thanks a bunch. what is a good lube for a spring gun?

cw · Banned

Molybdenum disulfide and graphite. I have found this to
be the best. Use a very small amount.

http://www.airguns.citymax.com/catalog/item/251484/42989.htm

broommaster2000 · Moderator

There isn't one lube for a gun. I use some stuff called Heavy Tar for the spring. I also use the aforementioned Molypaste.

However, a lubetune needs to be done more then once. After a certain (rather undetermined in my case) amount of shots it needs to be lubed again.

This doesn't necessarily go for spring and spring guides, although if they do break down, it's obvious it needs replacement. (Doesn't happen a lot, as far as I know).

cw · Banned

Yes, Heavy tar can be used also. It will reduce velocity
and is mainly used on inexpensive guns with vibration
issues due to large tolerances between the spring guide/s
and spring.

Heavy tar must be applied very sparingly and will migrate
into the piston and eventually have to be removed.

There is another product, Clear tar, also called Velocity tar,
with a teflon additive that will exhibit less of these problems
while still dampening vibration. All in all, it is usually best to
fabricate a new spring guide that fits the spring very tightly
and forgo any tars in favor of moly/graph lubricaton. In the
end consistency will be much better.

http://www.airguns.citymax.com/catalog/item/251484/42987.htm

With a correct fitting spring to spring guide interface you
will have a smooth, vibration free gun with retained and/or
improved velocity.

bayou · New Member

ok thanks thats very good to know because i was going to get some of the airgun tar for my gun! now i wont. thanks alot!

Crosman140 · Senior Member

Bayou,

As you can see from my siggy, I own a little cheapy Daisy Powerline 880.

The best "mod" to these little shooters is just to pump it up higher if you want more power. BUT, you won't really gain much from this action from what I read and understand.

These little daisies will reach around 700 fps. This is ample power to do most jobs. Punching paper, a bird, mouse, rat or occasional squirrel.

Many guns lose their accuracy the faster the pellets go. So, you might be able to pump it up 15 or 20 times, but you could lose accuracy and you will probably blow out the seals quicker.

Air guns are a funny breed. They don't make much sound, especially the pneumatic ones. So, the thought is...they can't do much damage. But they are like quiet sniper rifles. They WILL get the job done...most effectively and without the report of powder guns. Smile

broommaster2000 · Moderator

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